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Post by doncaparker on Jan 17, 2021 5:37:43 GMT
Hi. I’m a new ProEdge owner. My main sharpening tasks are chisels and plane irons, so squareness is a priority. In testing out the ProEdge and the various jigs, I realized that the tool rest (the normal one with the miter slot) was vertically square to the wear plate, but not horizontally. It turns out that the two bolts that connect the tool rest to the indexing arm can be loosened, the table adjusted a bit, and the bolts retightened, all to make the miter slot parallel to the wear plate. Now everything (including the jigs, which were already square) is good and square. I might still build some dedicated tool holding jigs, but the Pro Edge is now more useful even without the jigs. Just wanted to pass this along.
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Post by Pete on Jan 17, 2021 11:35:42 GMT
Thanks Don, pinch bolt and location dowel effectively would leave room for some inaccuracy. Good reminder to people to be aware of it perhaps a square piece of wood that fits the slot and references on the frame would be a good thing to make up?
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Post by doncaparker on Jan 17, 2021 12:48:47 GMT
Perhaps the wood block would work, Pete. The way I checked and fixed it was by noticing how the 90 degree jigs (the V block and the chisel jig) were not square to the wear plate when they were in the miter slot. The easiest tool to check this was a 1-2-3 setup block. I then checked the jigs themselves with a machinist’s square, and found them to be square (the reference surfaces were 90 degrees to the miter slot bars). That only left one possibility: the miter slot was not parallel to the wear plate. And the only adjustability for that would be the two bolts that connect the tool rest table to the index arm. So, I loosened those up (they were pretty tight), held the 1-2-3 block tight to both the wear plate and the V block while it was engaged in the miter slot, and retightened the two bolts. It all worked out fine. It feels like, on an otherwise fantastic tool such as this, Sorby should either make sure this was right before it left the factory, or include an adjustment protocol in the manual. But, that quibble aside, I am very happy with my new ProEdge. It promises to be an important addition to my shop.
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Post by Pete on Jan 17, 2021 13:34:54 GMT
With you now Don, I will check mine though as I only do turning tools it wouldn't make so much difference to me.
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Post by doncaparker on Jan 17, 2021 14:09:29 GMT
Right; this is mainly an issue for those who need square edges on chisels and plane irons. Since the ProEdge is geared more for wood turners than other types of woodworkers, I can see it not being as high a priority for either the company or most users. But since these specific jigs (the V block and the chisel jig) are meant to create square edges, and the miter slot is meant to help in creating square edges, I figure having good information available for those who want to attain squareness is a good thing. Thanks, and I look forward to learning more from this forum. It has already been a great help in understanding a few things about the ProEdge.
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Post by Pete on Jan 17, 2021 18:07:56 GMT
Hi Don, just checked mine it is spot on, be interested to hear from other forum users, for reference I did it with the belt off and the table set to 80 degrees against the V Block, I don't have the chisel jig. Though as a woodturner my angles are slightly more art than science! Your observation may have more relevance to the occasional user of "flat iron" sharpening as we would be slower to pick up on what is wrong than a regular user.
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Post by Stupot on Jan 27, 2021 19:52:31 GMT
Hi, new owner of PE since just before Christmas, so lots of questions. But to answer this post, I found the table slot which came with the machine was parallel to the platen's surface and also at 90 degrees to the side of the platen. The narrow table purchased as an extra was slightly adrift when using the outer edge as a reference - loosening the countersunk screws and retightening whilst holding in the required position worked OK. I've spent more years than I care to admit in attempting to use the Tormek wet system, with varying degress of success. This has to be set up in the house to keep the amount of moisture in my garage/workshop to a mimimum! The sharpening etc. jobs I need a machine for are :- Woodworking chisels and plane irons. Twist drills. Centre punches. Metalworking lathe tools. Also simple linishing of metal (i.e. removing the rough edges of hacksawed steel, brass, aluminium.) Already have concluded that the PE with home-made fixtures to accept Tormek jigs/tables etc. (also the UE 12mm bar and table) will result in a far more versatile machine than trying to adapt the UE - that's the Axminster machine.) Will post later with pictures.
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Post by jens on Feb 23, 2021 15:13:32 GMT
also got my PE in december last year and very happy with, but I did also notice when refurbishing a bunch of old chisels that the 90degree angle on the side of the jig to the plate wasn't 100%, so the chisels and plane blades got slightly skewed. I fixed it by shimming up the backplate a little bit with the cut off of a soda can. Bit of a shame it's not straight out of the box or could be adjusted without shimming. Especially since I plan to get the knife jig and that requires replacing the backplate every time... Will see if I can sort it without a shim later on.
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Post by Stupot on Feb 23, 2021 20:26:00 GMT
Sounds as though you corrected one error with another (i.e. your shim). The original poster solved the problem by loosening and re-tightening the two countersunk machine screws which secure the table to the adjustable angle side arm. Checking the squareness of the table to the platen I found quite difficult, as it's the table's jig slot which is the reference point. I used tooling plate (ground flat steel strips) - one in the slot, the rest between the slot and the platen. As I reported earlier, my standard (slotted) table which came with the machine, needed no adjustment. The narrower table available as an accessory has no slot/jig groove, so it's the outer edge, used to support the jigs, which needs to be parallel to the platen. Mine needed a slight adjustment.
It's important that I get this right, as I am using the machine itself to make additional jigs - to sharpen twist drills, for example.
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Post by andi74 on Dec 4, 2022 20:29:02 GMT
Hi, the tool rest on my new Pro Edge deviates a degree from the target value. Can this be adjusted by myself? I couldn't find any instructions on how to set it up in the manual. Best regards, Andi
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Post by Pete on Dec 4, 2022 21:48:57 GMT
Pretty sure that most timber can't tell the difference between a 24° and a 25° cutting edge what is important is that the edge is the same as the last time you ground it, the discrepancy will only be an issue if you are using multiple sharpening systems. I will however reach out to Clive to see if there is any way to adjust it.
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Post by andi74 on Dec 5, 2022 8:41:46 GMT
Pete, thank you in advance for your help. I would like to use the Pro Edge for the following purposes: - Grind a new main bevel to plane irons and chisels, for the micro bevel I will continue to use japanese waterstones. - Sharpen turning tools. Rarely because I only turn a little and only have a small lathe. - Some metalwork, grinding workpieces to final dimensions. I used to have a swedish wet grinder before. I wasn't satisfied with the progress of the work on grinding a new hollow bevel on woodworking tools and sharpening turning tools. Metal work was not possible at all with a wet grinder. Dealing with water also bothered me. I chose a belt sander for the metalworking ability. I bought the Pro Edge rather then the Axminster derivative because of the fixed angle tool rest.. So it would be important for me that at least the 90 degree angle is right.
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Post by Pete on Dec 5, 2022 22:27:26 GMT
Hi Andi, Clive is back on Wednesday and will probably comment on here, but I have had an Email reply from Steve at Sorby, If you take the belt off the backing plate behind it is secured with 2 13mm "hexagon columns" (fancy bolts!) loosen them adjust to get your 90° accurate and re-tighten and the job should be sorted.
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Post by andi74 on Dec 6, 2022 7:38:26 GMT
Hi Pete, I just tried that and can correct the angle by a half degree. For further corrections I would have to file or drill out the holes in the back plate. So I would rather wait for feedback from Clive on that. If that is ok without voiding warranty. The back plate is now no longer parallel to the belt. The tool rest is now half a degree off but there is a gap of about 3mm at the bottom between back plate and belt.
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Post by Clive Brooks on Dec 8, 2022 12:44:33 GMT
Hi Andi...Please contact us direct on email and we can arrange for an additional back plate to be sent out to you so that you can modify as you are describing, without making any changes to the standard machine for any future warranty issues
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