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Post by Richie on Oct 16, 2019 20:28:35 GMT
Hi I bought the proedge honing kit but there aren't any instructions. The are a bunch of hexkeys of different sizes and don't know what to do with them.
I at least figured out how to mount the wheel. Is the some other tool i need to hold my carving chisels while honing.
Can't find any resources for this and am desperate.
I one you experience guys could help me I would appreciate it.
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Post by Pete on Oct 17, 2019 0:34:58 GMT
Hi Richie,
I don't have this kit, but will call in the experts.
Pete
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Post by Clive Brooks on Oct 17, 2019 10:43:03 GMT
Hi Richie Sorry if there are any spelling or grammatical errors but I'm writing this while on a rough ferry crossing... You say in your post that you have a 'bunch of hex keys' Please can you send an image of those to Robert Sorby as you should only have one to tighten the three locking screws to secure the arbour to the bottom pulley. The wheel is made from a rubber compound impregnated with abrasive so no addional paste etc is required The wheel can be used on the side face aswell as the outside circumference face. It can also be shaped using a wheel dressing stone to your own particular requirements Looking from the side the wheel rotates counter clockwise so when standing at the front of the machine the tool needs to be presented to the wheel at the bottom section so the wheel is rotating away from the tool edge. The huge advantage of this is that you can look down the bevel at all times to ensure you are sharpening exactly what is required You will find a video of the honing system being used on the ProEdge on the Robert Sorby YouTube channel I hope this information is useful to you Cheers Clive
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Post by Richie on Oct 17, 2019 14:03:12 GMT
Clive sorry about the rough ferry ride. Thanks you got me going. Pretty much what i thought. Not sure what the hex keys are all for. Eventually will figure it out.
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Post by nathanau on Apr 19, 2020 14:19:23 GMT
... You will find a video of the honing system being used on the ProEdge on the Robert Sorby YouTube channel I hope this information is useful to you Cheers Clive Clive, I was not able to find a video of the honing system on Robert Sorby YouTube channel. Can you provide a link?
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Post by Pete on Apr 20, 2020 21:36:25 GMT
I can not find a video either, but the honing wheel is principally for carving tools that I don't use. Clive's answer covered it's very basic use, shape it to your tool, and hold the tool in the bottom section of the wheel, checking the angle by eye.
What are you aiming to use it for?
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Post by lataxe on Jun 30, 2020 10:43:16 GMT
Thread revival.
Pete asks, "What are you aiming to use it for"?
A similar question is. "What can it be used for"?
The Sorby blurb suggests that its primarily intended for shaping to fit the edge profiles of curved woodturning chisels. I imagine that the unprofiled edge of the wheel could be used to polish chisel bevels albeit freehand as there's no tool rest for the honing wheel as far as I can make out. The blurb also says the side of the honing wheel can be used; but it doesn't say what for. Presumably to polish flat surfaces.....?
I suppose it might be possible to freehand the polishing of a smaller chisel back but even that seems at risk of a momentary cant of the blade which risks dubbing the edge. The risk would surely increase with a larger chisel blade or a plane blade. Is the wheel large enough, anyway, to accommodate a plane blade of any significant size?
It would help if the description of these items was more detailed, both about their size, constituents (what grade is the honing wheel grit, for example; how spongey is the rubber) and modes of use for various tools. Sorby seems curiously vague about many aspects of this excellent machine and its accessories .................
Anyroadup, if someone could identify the diameter and width of the honing wheel, along with its grade of grit and how spongey the rubber is, that would be a start when considering whether one should buy it. Practical advice about what it can and can't be used for would also help. It's a bit of a cop-out to suggest buyers explore the possibilities for themselves. Can we sue Robert if we do so and the machine grinds orf a finger? :-)
Lataxe
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Post by Pete on Jun 30, 2020 19:47:35 GMT
Think you would need to be really patient to get a finger ground off on the honing wheel, it would take ages!!
Diameter is about 60mm may be 75mm width about 15mm grit is honing paste level grit. Primary use is carving chisels though it comes as a square profile you can carve the rubber with a stone grader to fit the curve of the carving chisel. There are no jigs for it, so it is down to the skill of the user, and probably best not documented so people cant sue for the number of hours it takes to hone a finger off! :-)
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Post by lataxe on Jun 30, 2020 21:43:08 GMT
Think you would need to be really patient to get a finger ground off on the honing wheel, it would take ages!! Diameter is about 60mm may be 75mm width about 15mm grit is honing paste level grit. Primary use is carving chisels though it comes as a square profile you can carve the rubber with a stone grader to fit the curve of the carving chisel. There are no jigs for it, so it is down to the skill of the user, and probably best not documented so people cant sue for the number of hours it takes to hone a finger off! :-) ******* Thank you for that reply, Pete. I will avoid finger honing as I am sensitive and would likely cry a bit should the thing take some skin off. What would the ladywife say should I drop my manly mien, even for a second or two of blubbering and finger sucking? She would smirk and say diddums, that's what. At present I yam enamoured of the knife sharpening gubbins that arrived today as is the aforementioned woman-beast, who has a drawer full of excessively sharp knives this afternoon, which took no time at all to get that way from blunt-as-a-Yorky-with-5-pints-in-him. I spent longer looking for things to cut up as a test than I did sharpening them. I was convinced of the fine edge when cutting an orange sliced the pips through with very clean faces. Normally they ping out sideways. (There was no free range pig carcasses about at the time for a proper test). **** I'll stop buying Proedge accessories for a while now, though but. Perhaps I'll make a-one instead. A variable skew jig for the pointy paring chisels and skew rabbet plane blades perhaps. Lataxe
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Post by Richie on Dec 20, 2021 12:17:52 GMT
I want to take off the inside burr of a turning gouge. And wish to shape the wheel to match the profile of my gouge. Will shape it per your previous suggestion. Everyone says you must take off the burr but never really address adequately how you do this without spending tons of money. I.e buying translucent stones for each profile. I am a fan of taking off as little metal as possible.
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Post by Pete on Dec 20, 2021 12:36:52 GMT
I want to take off the inside burr of a turning gouge. And wish to shape the wheel to match the profile of my gouge. Will shape it per your previous suggestion. Everyone says you must take off the burr but never really address adequately how you do this without spending tons of money. I.e buying translucent stones for each profile. I am a fan of taking off as little metal as possible. I never take the burr of, straight from belt to timber any burr there maybe is gone in seconds, hand tools e.g. carving tools are different.
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Post by Richie on Dec 20, 2021 17:26:44 GMT
So by your logic is hand sharpening turning tools pretty much a waste of time? Effort spent getting a highly polished edge is not really worth the effort.
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Post by Pete on Dec 20, 2021 20:44:49 GMT
Yes totally with the possible exception of the Skew, I use the diamond belt these days, but sharpening on standard belts for woodturning I only ever used 120 grit it obviously not as sharp initially as it could be if I used a 6000 trizac, but 120 grit is sharp enough and the edge lasts longer as it doesn't break. At 1000 rpm a 10" bowl makes around 650 yards of shaving a minute would take a while to make that with a hand tool!
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